7 At Macksville High School, when I was 14 years of age, I had successfully
earned the Intermediate Certificate. The present day equivalent to that
award is the School Certificate. Following that I enrolled in a secretarial
course at the (then) Kempsey Technical College and studied shorthand,
typewriting, bookkeeping etc for the following year. The (then) Macksville
Branch of the English Scottish and Australian Bank offered me employment
and I worked for it mainly as a ledger-keeper for the next 5 years until
1959 when I married my husband Don Kerrison and moved to Kempsey. Don
and I have now been married for 40+ years and we have reared 3 children
who are all educated and productively employed. Our children and their
families are a source of delight to us, as are our extended families
and large circle of friends.
8 Over the years both Don and I have told our families and friends
about incidents and allegations made against me by Ms McGregor, Mr Quinn,
Ms Robison, and which now form part of Discrimination, Aiding and Abetting
Discrimination, Victimisation, and Industrial Relations actions against
TAFE, HealthQuest, and Medical Appeals Panel (MAP). Our families and
friends have given their support to us.
9 From 1959 to the present day I worked in a variety of jobs as fitted
in with having and rearing our children. Through the years I studied
further and obtained further qualifications.
10 Recently I have assisted and taught in seminars teaching the computer-based
business accounting program MYOB (Mind Your Own Business) and the company
MYOB lists me as one of its appointed trainers.
11 At no time during the past 18 years have I applied to Social Security
for sickness benefits.
12 At no time since being appointed as permanent full-time TAFE teacher
have I applied to Social Security for unemployment relief. Social Security
require employed people to provide evidence that the employment was terminated
before they consider granting unemployment relief. I believe that such
document is provided to the employee by an employer if they terminate
an employee.
13 At all times since TAFE appointed me as full-time permanent teacher,
I have endeavoured to undertake my duties as TAFE teacher.
HealthQuest "Retirement"
14 On 16 June 1995 HealthQuest wrote and issued a document titled "Retirement
Certificate" and inserted on that document my name. They sent it to my
employer TAFE.
I continued to serve TAFE
15 On 16 June 1995 I was not retired - on subsequent days I continued
to be a TAFE employee carrying out my duties.
16 On 27 June 1995 I marked, checked and recorded TAFE students' exams
in TAFE Roll books which TAFE had allocated to me to perform my duties.
16.1 I left the Roll books on what I believe to be my desk at TAFE,
along with the resources and personal possessions that I used to perform
my TAFE duties.
16.2 TAFE officer, Ms Debbie Kennington, whom I believe to be my Head
Teacher at that time, thanked me.
17 Although TAFE did not allocate further teaching hours to me, I continued
to do what I could promoting TAFE and it courses.
18 Some time later a Kempsey TAFE employee telephoned me mentioned
that she was using, to teach her students, the exercises and instructions
which I had compiled to teach my TAFE students.
18.1 These resources were in various teacher resource cupboards in
a number of Kempsey TAFE classrooms.
18.2 These resources were extensive and comprehensive and were accessible
for use by TAFE teachers and TAFE students.
19 Other Kempsey TAFE staff also asked me for assistance in TAFE.
20 In approximately 1998 I saw that some TAFE notices which I had displayed
in various public places in Kempsey in 1995, were still on display despite
being out-of-date. I arranged that they were removed.
21 To the present day, existing or potential TAFE students approach
me for advice and assistance regarding TAFE courses and facilities and
I continue to promote TAFE and its courses.
22 Commencing 1993 to the present day I have continued to report to
TAFE Managing Director/s and officers about issues which appear to constitute
breaches of regulations and legislation.
23 TAFE have not formally allocated me teaching duties during July
1995 to date, but I have been willing to, and I believe capable of, resume
teaching throughout this time.
23.1 Even when I have felt weighed down, if TAFE had suddenly said
to me something like "It's all been a mistake, we want you to teach
tomorrow", I believe that I would have felt as if a great weight
had been lifted, and capably taught.
24 In 1996, when TAFE, without notice or discussion with me, ceased
paying my ordinary pay in 1996, in order to have money to live I worked
in part-time casual employment using the skills which TAFE hired me for.
24.1 By working in part-time casual jobs I was free to leave those
jobs at short notice thus enabling me to resume teaching duties at short
notice.
24.2 I believe that by working in other areas in industry this has
not only maintained my skills but also added to those which TAFE utilised
as its appointed teacher, because I have obtained further qualifications
and skills.
24.3 TAFE, itself, sometimes pays its teachers to "Return to Industry" to
ensure that its teachers, are, or become, up-to-date in their technical
knowledge specific to TAFE's deliverance of technical education relevant
to current practices and requirements.
25 At present I earn income from a number of clients/employers who
have approached me to do work for them after having my name referred
to them from others who have hired me. The work that I am currently doing
is mainly setting up and maintaining the organisations' financial records
on computers and tracking GST for the purpose of BAS (Business Activity
Statement) reporting to the Australian Taxation Office.
1993 Complaints/Grievances to Dr Ramsey
26 Approximately mid second semester 1993 I wrote a complaint about
Ms Hayes and gave the 16-page document to Ms Elizabeth McGregor saying
words to the effect: "This is what I have been saying." "I don't think
that it can be addressed at this level" and "I am willing to speak with
anyone about it."
27 I recall that a few days later I again approached Ms McGregor and
Ms McGregor returned the written complaint.
28 I approached Ms McGregor again on about 2 more occasions. I recall
that the last time I approached her she offered to let me act in the
position of Acting Head Teacher for the Section, commencing the following
year, then added words to the effect: "Provided you do not speak about
Rhonda…" and I refused the offer.
29 I recall that soon after that the union representative Mr Kelvin
Wykes approached me and said words to the effect: "There is a TAFE department
called Counselling Services which addressed a situation such as yours
quickly. I know about it because someone had made a complaint against
me."
30 Mr Wykes gave me the telephone number and I rang them.
31 I recall that Counselling Services urged me to gather other complaints
and forward them with mine for them to look at to see if they should
or could be actioned.
32 Late 1993 I made confidential complaints to TAFE Counselling Services.
32.1 I recall that I asked that they read the complaint and tell me
what they considered to be serious and what was not.
32.2 I recall that asked it be confidential because I was afraid of
what Ms Hayes would do behind my back if she knew that I had reported
against her at this level.
32.3 I recall that was afraid that Ms Hayes would take and hide/destroy
TAFE property that I was accountable for such as Roll books and College
keys. I recall that my complaint against Ms Hayes had included behaviour
such as that.
33 I recall that a few days later Ms Elizabeth McGregor said to me
words to the effect: "Gesina Meerman telephoned me and told me about
your complaint."
34 I recall that when I later said words to the effect: "Did you tell
Rhonda about my complaint?" I recall that Ms McGregor said "I can't remember."
35 I recall that as I believed that confidentiality had been breached
I telephoned Ms Meerman at Counselling Services and formally released
the complaint for her to action.
36 About the last week of term Ms McGregor offered to let me act in
the Head Teacher position next term. Ms McGregor made no proviso. I accepted
because I wished to gain experience and knowledge of Head Teacher duties
for promotion opportunities. I commenced that job in the last week of
1993 , to extend through the next semester in 1994.
37 I recall that during the next few days documents which were crucial
to me performing that Head Teacher job were missing from my desk.
38 I recall that Ms Hayes later laughed and said to me words to the
effect: "I took them to Port Macquarie." I recall that I reported this
to Ms McGregor.
39 I recall that in February 1994 I telephoned Ms Meerman asking what
was happening regarding the investigation.
40 I recall that Ms Meerman said to me words to the effect: "We haven't
done anything" -- as I believed that confidentiality had already been
breached the previous year I again asked that the complaint be actioned
and again formally released it for action."
Aboriginal Students' - Enrolment - Access
41 In Kempsey TAFE, the Business Services (Admin Services) courses
attracted enrolments from many quarters and the classes generally consisted
of predominantly non-Aboriginal students.
42 In January/early February 1994 I was doing the Acting Head Teacher
duties for Administrative Services section.
43 I recall that enrolled more Aboriginal students into the Administrative
Services business courses than I had ever seen in those courses before.
43.1 I recall that some of those Aboriginal students already knew me
because I had taught them in other EEO-type courses which I had previously
run. I had met some others through my community interaction and liaison
with local Aboriginal organisations as part of my TAFE duties and socially.
43.2 I recall that set up a "buddy" system to assist the Aboriginal
students support each other in the business courses.
44 I recall that on or about 10 February 1994 three more young Aboriginals
came to me and asked to be enrolled in an Administration Services course
and I did so.
45 I recall that I printed 'ABIN' in the relevant box on their enrolment
forms -- this showed that they claimed Aboriginality, and financial assistance
through Abstudy (many non-Aboriginal students claim similar financial
assistance through Austudy and had words to the effect AUS in the relevant
box).
46 The students' names were Hazel Duke, Cecily Lardner, and Michael
(aka TJ) Smith.
47 I recall that I pointed out the classroom they were to go to; that
I said words to the effect: "the class are doing [TAFE subject] and you
teacher's name for this subject is Rhonda Hayes -- give Mrs Hayes your
enrolment forms and join the class."
48 The three students held pens and paper and their enrolment forms
in their hands.
49 I recall from my prior writings that later I overheard Mrs Hayes
say words to the effect: "Three Aboriginals came to my class." "I
told them …" - "They went and sat in the canteen. They came up
later and went to the next class."
50 Such behaviour was not normal practice in our Section. Once
students are enrolled they have the right to join their class as soon
as possible as an enrolled student in that course. Students went to the
relevant class and joined it.
51 I recall that I felt upset believing that action which turned newly
enrolled students away from their class would deprive students of tuition
to which they were entitled, and could even be sufficient to turn a student
away permanently.
52 I recall that sometime approximately February 1994 Mrs Hayes said
to words to the effect: "We were having a lesson and TJ came to the
door…" and then Ms Hayes said words that I understood at the
time to mean that she had somehow 'got rid of TJ' out of the course.
53 Ms Hayes appeared to be smiling.
54 I felt concern an said to the NSW Teachers Federation representative
Mr Kelvin Wykes words to the effect: "Rhonda got rid of an Aboriginal
boy out of a course."
55 Mr Wykes was senior to me and had been a Head Teacher for some time.
56 Mr Wykes was the union representative and often told us what we
could or could not do.
57 I relied on Mr Wykes' advice. I recall that Mr Wykes said words
to the effect: "You are doing the Head Teacher job. You are responsible.
You will be held responsible for what happens in your Section (Admin
Services)."
58 I recall thinking that Mr Wykes did not appear concerned for the
Aboriginal student. I felt powerless alone to change what was going on.
Djigay Centre of Excellence in Aboriginal education -
possible illegal dismissal of students
59 Kempsey TAFE ran courses as do other TAFE Colleges. Kempsey TAFE
also included the Djigay Centre of Excellence in Aboriginal education
60 Kempsey TAFE ran TAFE courses specific to Aboriginals in the Djigay
Centre. I sometimes taught Aboriginal students in the Djigay Centre.
61 I recall that in approximately the first week of March 1994 the
Kempsey TAFE Aboriginal Support officer Ms Liz Hoskins came to me about
some Aboriginal students in the Administrative Services Section (not
the Djigay).
62 I recall that Ms Hoskins said to me words to the effect: "This
is a list of the Aboriginal students who have missed lessons. Rhonda [Mrs
Hayes] said for me to tell you to send them a letter telling them
that they are no longer in the course."
63 This time was only a few weeks into a course which was to run for
36 weeks (until around December that year).
64 If people had been away sick or not been in class some other reason,
they still had time to catch up. Students have the right to access whatever
they choose or are able to in TAFE courses. TAFE sometimes provided tutoring
to students.
65 I recall that said to Ms Hoskins words to the effect: "No." "Attendance
isn't a criteria of the course" "Would you take it to Elizabethand
tell her about it please?"
66 I recall that a few minutes later I went to Mrs McGregor's office
to make sure that the students' needs and rights were being met.
67 I recall that Mrs McGregor said to me words to the effect "I'll
have the letters sent out."
68 I recall that I said words to the effect: "we can't legally
send out such letters.
69 I recall that Mrs McGregor said words to the effect "Yes we can.
We do it all the time down below." 'Down below' is how some people
in Kempsey TAFE sometimes refer to the Djigay Centre of Excellence in
Aboriginal education.
70 I recall that I said words to the effect "But we can't do that.
It's illegal. If attendance is a criteria it must be written into the
course, and the students must sign it to show that they know."
71 I recall that Mrs McGregor repeated words to the effect: "I'm
going to have the office send letters to the students."
72 I recall that Ms McGregor did not say that she would not send the
letters.
73 I believed at the time that Ms McGregor looked censuring towards
me.
74 I felt concern for the students. I believed that Ms McGregor had
not addressed the incident concerning a Filipino woman. This had been
part of my complaint to Counselling Services
75 I recall that as I left I believed that Mrs McGregor had said '…we
do it all the time down below.'
75.1 I recall that I had taught Aboriginal students in the Djigay Centre.
75.2 I recall that I had heard them say to each other things like "Where
were you yesterday? Watch out or you'll be sacked".
75.3 I recall that they had sometimes said to me "I was late. Did
you mark my name in the roll? I don't want them to kick me out".
75.4 I recall that when I had heard them say things like that I had
thought that they were joking.
75.5 I recall that after hearing what Ms McGregor said I believed that
that the Aboriginal students must have been expressing fears.
75.6 I had seen the list of students' names that Ms Hoskins held.
75.7 All of the students had claimed Aboriginal status.
75.8 I did not recognise any non-Aboriginal students' names on the
list.
75.9 It is probable that non-Aboriginal students had not attended some
classes.
75.10 Mrs McGregor did not broach the incident with me later.
75.11 I do not recall seeing Ms Hoskins in TAFE after that, and Ms
Ivy Browne subsequently performed those duties.
75.12 On or about 9 March 1994 I tried to be diplomatic to Ms McGregor,
yet still take care of the students. I recall that I compiled a list
of students (both Aboriginal and otherwise) who, according to the roll
books, had not attended classes for some time.
75.13 I recall that took the list to Ms Robison and said words to the
effect: "Elizabeth isn't here just now, but when she comes back could
you tell her that these students haven't attended class for a while,
and perhaps we could send them a letter reminding them of their TAFE
course and to tell them that if they wished to withdraw at any time they
would need to contact the College."
76 Up until 9 March 1994 I had not claimed any sick leave in TAFE.
I had at least 100 days accumulated sick leave to my credit.
77 On 10 March 1994 I approached the union Representative, Mr Kelvin
Wykes because I felt frightened and worried-sick that the TAFE officers
including Ms Meerman did not appear to me to be acting in a way that
protected me.
77.1 Mr Wykes said to me words to the effect: "If you feel sick or
stressed, go to the doctor. Then, if you are on stress leave the Institute
come into it. Chris Lockwood and Mike Quinn will contact you straight
away."
77.2 I recall that Mr Wykes did not tell me why the union Representative
did not do something such as "come into it."
TAFE officers listened to my complaints about discrimination
then repeatedly suggested that I resign or retire
78 On 10 March 1994 I went to my doctor Dr Peter Hatton and he gave
me a medical certificate for 11 March 1994-1 April 1994 stating "agitated
depression - work induced"
79 When I gave the certificate to Ms McGregor, both Ms McGregor and
Mr Kelvin Wykes separately told me that Mike Quinn and Chris Lockwood
(the relevant NCI TAFE managers) would contact me on the next working
day.
80 The next workday I waited for NCI TAFE OH&S and Rehabilitation
officer Mr Mike Quinn, and NCI TAFE A/Human Resource officer Mr Chris
Lockwood to telephone me.
80.1 At that time I felt optimistic because I thought that Mr Quinn
and Mr Lockwood would help me in the workplace situation which caused
my illness and that I would be quickly returned to work and benefit from
changes in the workplace.
80.2 I believed that, if the issues were addressed, or if I could see
that they were commenced to be addressed, I could be back at work immediately.
80.3 I believed that care of me in the workplace (OH&S) and rehabilitation
would be quickly applied and that Mr Quin and Mr Lockwood would be getting
me back to work as soon as possible to save TAFE from having to spend
extra money to employ other teachers to teach my classes.
80.4 The next workday I waited within earshot of the telephone. Neither
Mr Quinn nor Mr Lockwood telephoned me.
80.5 On subsequent days I also waited but the TAFE officials did not
telephone me.
80.6 Neither Mr Quinn nor Mr Lockwood contacted me the next week either.
80.7 I felt isolated and felt that things were compounding on me. I
felt worse than when I first left my work
81 In March 1994 TAFE Managing Director Dr Gregor Ramsey had appointed
Ms Gesina Meerman and Ms Sue Hartigan to investigate my original complaint
81.1 The investigators said to me words to the effect: "it is very
confidential"
82 During March/April 1994, on a number of occasions I asked Ms Meerman
to help me get back to work. Ms Meerman said words to the effect: "wait
until after investigation."
83 In March 1994 the investigators told me words to the effect that
they had booked a room at Kempsey Council Chambers room and that so that
no-one at TAFE would know about my complaint.
83.1 I recall that at that time I believed that this was not true because
in late 1993 Ms McGregor had told me that Ms Meerman had told her about
my complaint.
84 On 28 March 1994 the investigators came to Kempsey and we met in
the Council Chambers.
84.1 Mr Kelvin Wykes, the union representative also attended and also
contributed to the meeting.
84.2 I said at the meeting words to the effect: "Some more incidents
have occurred."
84.3 I said to the investigators words to the effect : "Rhonda [Hayes]
turned three Aboriginal students away from the class when they went to
commence their course."
84.4 I told the investigators words to the effect: "the Aboriginal
students' names, are Hazel Duke, Cecily Lardner and Michael [TJ] Smith".
I showed the investigators these students' enrolment forms which stated
the students' names, and contact addresses, and the category "ABIN".
84.5 I said to the investigators words to the effect: "Rhonda [Hayes]
got rid of Aboriginal Michael Smith. It's important to contact him." I
gave the investigators TJ's resume which had his address typed on it.
Mr Smith's resume has since been released by TAFE under FOI.
84.6 I told the investigators of another student, Ms Kylie Harrower
and gave the investigators Ms Harrower's telephone number. I told the
investigators words to the effect: "Ms Harrower is an important witness
to contact."
85 I felt that the meeting ended unpleasantly. Ms Meerman shouted at
me. Mr Wykes did not appear to me to support me because he did not intervene
on my behalf.
86 Mr Wykes and I talked together after the meeting and on two occasions
Mr Wykes said words to the effect: "You should resign from TAFE"
87 I had felt isolated from my job for more than 2 weeks. TAFE officers
Mr Quinn and Mr Lockwood had not contacted me. I did not know how to
attempt to return to my position.
88 It impacted severely on me.
89 On 28 March 1994 I felt alone and dispensed with by TAFE. The doctor's
certificate was running out. I did not have the courage to simply turn
up in TAFE because I believed that TAFE, the classes and students were
all carrying on without me, that there were no teaching duties scheduled
for me, that they were being taught by part-time teachers. I felt expendable
to TAFE. It impacted on me to such an extent that I went again to Dr
Hatton, I didn't know what else I could do.
89.1 Dr Hatton issued a further certificate for 28 March to 30 April
1994 for "reactive agitated depression (work related)".
90 On 28 March 1994 I wrote to TAFE; enclosed the certificate; and
formally resigned from some internal positions I held. They were: "Kempsey
TAFE Work Skill Captain" and "Office Skills Regional Competition Co-ordinator".
91 On 30 March 1994 Ms Gail Robison Kempsey TAFE Registrar/OH&S
officer/Rehabilitation officer came to my home and we completed GIO Injury
forms.
91.1 At that time I said to Ms Robison words to the effect: " Rhonda
turned three Aboriginal students away from her class when they went
to start their course." And "they were Hazel Duke, Cecily Lardner
and Michael Smith".
91.2 Ms Robison said words to the effect: "I will get Mike
or Chris to ring you".
91.3 Ms Robison also said as she was leaving "I'll call you each
week or so." I felt abandoned.
92 On or about 30 March 1994 I telephoned the NCI TAFE and asked to
speak with Mr Lockwood or Mr Quinn.
92.1 The person to whom I was speaking said he was Chris Lockwood.
92.2 Mr Lockwood said words to the effect: "Mike (Quinn) is busy
for the next week, and after that we will contact you and arrange to
meet."
93 On 5 April 1994 I telephoned the Institute and asked to speak to
Mr Lockwood. I said to Mr Lockwood words to the effect "Things have
been bad for me." and "What I should do?"
93.1 Mr Lockwood said words to the effect " you have two
options - resignation or retirement."
93.2 Mr Lockwood ended the conversation and hung up.
93.3 That same afternoon I telephoned again and asked to speak to Mr
Lockwood.
93.4 Mr Lockwood said words to the effect: "I could meet you in
about a week, but I'd have to check to see if this fits in with Mike [Quinn]."
94 . On 21 April 1994 at around 10.30 am two men came to my home. They
introduced themselves as Chris Lockwood (NCI TAFE Acting Human Resources
Manager) and Mike Quinn (NCI TAFE OH&S Officer and Rehabilitation
Manager).
95 I said to Mr Lockwood and Mr Quinn words to the effect: "Ms
Hayes turned Aboriginal students away from the classroom"
95.1 I said to Mr Lockwood and Mr Quinn words to the effect: "the
Aboriginal students' names are Hazel Duke, Cecily Lardner and Michael (aka
TJ) Smith."
95.2 I said to Mr Lockwood and Mr Quinn words to the effect: "Rhonda
somehow got rid of TJ out of the course."
95.3 Mr Lockwood leaned back in his chair and appeared to be smiling.
95.4 Mr Lockwood said words to the effect "Val. Mike doesn't want
to tell you this. But I will. You can't be rehabilitated. Your options
are to resign or retire."
95.5 After a pause, Mr Quinn then said words to the effect: "You
could go the Commonwealth Rehabilitation Services (CRS) for rehabilitation.
You might be able to get retraining to work somewhere else."
95.6 I wished that Mr Quinn and Mr Lockwood would help me get
back to my job and have outstanding issues addressed.
95.7 I believed that the only option they were allowing me
was to go outside TAFE to CRS to apply for retraining to work somewhere
outside TAFE.
96 On 22 April 1994 I telephoned Mr Quinn and said words to
the effect: I would like to have a mentor. I would like Rick Stucke (another
Kempsey TAFE teacher) to be my mentor.
96.1 Some years later I said to Mr Stucke words to the effect: "Did
anyone ever contact you to ask you to be my mentor?"
96.2 Mr Stucke said to me words to the effect: "No. Were
they supposed to? No-one ever mentioned mentoring to me. I would've
liked to be mentor."
97 I received a TAFE letter dated 27 April 1994 from Mike Quinn A/OH&S
Rehabilitation Officer. It listed options.
97.1 The first option listed was "Retirement".
97.2 The second option listed. It was "Resign".
97.3 Sometime later I noticed further information with this letter.
It included the words to the effect that Workers Compensation forms must
be completed and forwarded to the GIO within 7 days of notification.
97.4 I had notified Mrs McGregor on 11 March. Mrs Robison came to my
home on 30 March. During those weeks I had felt isolated and I believe
that it could have been avoided.
98 On 3 May 1994 I received my usual fortnightly payslip from TAFE.
Included with the payslip was a note signed 'Gail' (Gail Robison Kempsey
Registrar, OH&S Rehabilitation Officer). The note stated
in part"Please remember to give me a call any time if you need to."
99 I recall that Ms Robison had said when she came to my home on 30
March 1994 (approximately 5 weeks earlier) words to the effect: "I'll
call you each week or so" but she had not done so.
100Upon receiving that note on 3 May 1994 I telephoned Kempsey TAFE
and asked to speak with Ms Robison and we arranged that she would come
to my home and speak with me.
101 On 4 May 1994 Mrs Gail Robison visited me at home. I said to Mrs
Robison words to the effect: I want to clear the air with TAFE management (Ms
McGregor and Port Macquarie Manager Mr Wal Brown).
101.1 I said to Mrs Robison words to the effect: I am willing to
talk to anyone about it.
101.2 I spoke to Mrs Robison about my complaint and the investigation.
101.3 Mrs Robison did not arrange for me to talk to anyone.
102 On 23 May 1994 Mrs Gail Robison again came to my home.
102.1 Mrs Robison said words to the effect: "How would you feel
Val, with the investigation, if nothing changes where Rhonda's concerned?"
102.2 I said words to the effect: " But I've still got all of the
information there. And people outside TAFE do not agree with the people
inside TAFE. I'd possibly go to get legal advice about cleaning some
of it up. And anyone who wants the information can have it."
102.3 I referred to Mrs Hayes and said words to the effect: "There's
just too much spite there."
102.4 I spoke of my concerns about Mrs Hayes' actions. I said words
to the effect: " Vulnerable people. People who wouldn't hurt her.
The little quiet ones. Aboriginal students - Cecily she wouldn't hurt
a flea." "But it's so cruel." [Cecily Lardner was one of the Aboriginal
students that I told Mrs Robison about on 30 March 1994].
102.5 I previously told, Mr Quinn and Mr Lockwood the Aboriginal students'
names when they first came to my home.
103I had not heard from Mr Quinn since 17 May 1994 when I had agreed
that I would go to CRS and apply for retraining to work outside TAFE.
104After I agreed to go to CRS regarding retraining to work outside
TAFE I did not receive any further Rehabilitation contact from Mr Quinn
in 1994.
105 I had not heard from Mr Lockwood since our first meeting on 21
April 1994, and I did not receive any further Rehabilitation contact
from Mr Lockwood to the present day.
106 On 25 May 1994 I went to my local member Mr Bruce Jeffery. I told
Mr Jeffery words to the effect: "I would like to meet with Ms McGregor
and Mr Wal Brown."
106.1 Mr Jeffery dialled a number and I heard him ask to speak to "Elizabeth
McGregor". I heard a female voice. It sounded like Ms McGregor's.
106.2 Mr Jeffery said words to the effect: "I have Val Kerrison
with me. She would like to meet with you and Wal Brown and Mike Quinn."
106.3 I could hear a voice. It sounded like Ms McGregor. I heard her
say words to the effect: "Tell her to go to the Commonwealth Rehabilitation
Services" Mr Jeffery then said to me words to the effect: "Elizabethsaid
for you to go to the Commonwealth Rehabilitation Services."
106.4 TAFE already employed Rehabilitation and Human Resource officers.
They were Ms Robison, Mr Quinn and Mr Lockwood. In addition Ms McGregor
managed Kempsey TAFE resources.
107On 26 May 1994 Ms Dianne Cook of CRS telephoned me and arranged
a meeting with me.
108Mrs Robison did not visit me after CRS arranged to take my case.
CRS arranged to pursue the option of me working outside TAFE.
109I duly went to CRS. The prospect of my training to work elsewhere
was discussed. When I asked how they could guarantee that I could get
a job after retraining the CRS officers said words to the effect: "There
is no guarantee of a job."
I Return to duties at TAFE
110 On 17 June 1994 I telephoned CRS and said words to the effect: "My
Dr certificates will run out on 22 June. I want to work. My job at TAFE
is still there. I think that my best option is to go back into my job
at TAFE. I want to start back on 23 June 1994."
111 On 17 June 1994 I telephoned Ms McGregor and said words to the
effect: "My Dr certificates will run out on 22 June. Can I come back
into my job at TAFE?" Ms McGregor said words to the effect: "Oh.
I thought that you were going elsewhere [retraining outside TAFE]." I
said words to the effect: " No. There was no job guarantee in that
direction." I said words to the effect: "Is there anything else
I should do?" Ms McGregor said "No".
112Commencing 17 June 1994 and on later days I telephoned Mr Mike Quinn
at least twice and left messages but he did not return my calls.
113On or around this week, at tennis Kempsey Teachers Federation Representative
Mr Kelvin Wykes said to me words to the effect: "Wal Brown [Cluster Manager
for Kempsey, Port Macquarie, and Wauchope TAFEs] announced [in Kempsey
TAFE] that 'There is no way you [Kerrison] will be allowed back into
Admin Services.'"
114 On 20 June 1994 CRS officer Ms Dianne Cook telephoned me and arranged
to meet me in the Kempsey Mall.
115On or about 22 June when I spoke with Ms Cook she said words to
the effect: "Elizabeth [McGregor] says you can't return to work on 23rd [June
1994]"
116 On 23 June 1994 Mr Wal Brown telephoned me at home and said words
to the effect: "You are not allowed to return to Admin Services". Mr
Brown said to me words to the effect: "You can't teach in Admin Services.
Rhonda suggests that you do your teaching in other Sections."
117I believed that if I did not teach in Admin Services section I would
be removed from the source of information relevant to this Section, and
set apart. I said words to the effect: "I want my job back." I asked
to meet with Mr Brown about this. When I met with Mr Brown [and Ms Jeanette
Houghton-Simms] Mr Brown agreed that I was entitled to my appointed position
(teacher Admin Services).
118On 7 July 1994 I attended a meeting with Ms McGregor, Ms Robison
and Ms Cook.
118.1 At that meeting Ms McGregor informed me that all of the teaching
hours for Admin Services had been allocated to Ms Hayes and part-time
teachers.
118.2 Allocation of teaching hours is done when enrolments indicate
that a course will commence.
118.3 Enrolments were taken from 23 June 1994 when I had asked to be
allowed to return to my job.
118.4 Ms McGregor later gave me two options for teaching in Admin Services.
One option was that on my first day back at work I was to teach a course
which I had not taught before, to commence at 9 am and then teach other
subjects at various times through the day until the last one which was
to end at 9 pm that night. The only other option Ms McGregor put forward
included that on my first day back I was to 3 classes one after the other
in different courses without a break for 6 hours. I chose the first option,
so that I would be able to have a break between classes.
118.5 It was I who ended up telephoning the part-time casual teachers
(whom Ms Hayes and/or Ms McGregor had engaged to teach the relevant courses)
to reclaim the teaching hours to fill my teaching program.
119On 15 July 1994, I received in my mail a letter dated 8 July 1994
from the Workers' Compensation insurers GIO Australia which stated in
part: "Further to my [GIO's] letter of 19/4/94 I now confirm that
liability for your claim has been accepted." (See Attachment marked
A )
119.1 My claim was for "Reactive depression. Work related."
120I returned to my job on 11 July 1994.
120.1 I felt happy to be back at work and enjoyed being again with
colleagues and students.
120.2 I went to Kempsey TAFE at approximately 8.15 am to photocopy
and compile materials required for my first class at 9 am. I finished
my teaching and preparation for further classes at approximately 11 pm
that night.
120.3 During that first day I went into the Admin Services section
to pick up textbooks etc for a class. I saw Ms Hayes and Ms McGregor
sitting talking to each other. I greeted them both. Ms Hayes did not
reply. I believed that Ms Hayes had "sent me to Coventry" by refusing
to speak to me, and that Ms McGregor did not ensure normal communications
in the workplace.
120.4 On other occasions, sometimes in the presence of part-time staff,
I spoke to Ms Hayes and received no reply.
121 There were further difficulties in my return to work. I believed
that things had not altered for the better for me at TAFE because not
only did Ms Hayes maintain non-answering to me, but all of the documents
which would have accumulated during my absence and which I needed to
perform my duties, were not in the relevant Head Teacher filing cabinet.
121.1 Ms Hayes, as permanently appointed full-time and senior to all
other staff employed in the Section had been performing Head Teacher
duties including compiling and receiving and disseminating the Sections
documents.
121.2 All other staff during the period I was away were part-time casual
staff and therefore transient.
122On 12 July 1994 I wrote to Ms McGregor. Paragraph 7 of that memo
states: "When I was in the HT [Head Teacher] office on Monday
there was a radio/cassette player (one of two owned by our section )
there. After saying that I was moving to another office, I could not
find the radio/cassette player was not there." That memo is annexed
hereto and labelled "B". I had previously used the cassette player and
tapes as a resource for teaching my classes.
122.1 At a later date Ms McGregor said to me words to the effect: "I
asked around about the recorder and Rhonda told me that Kathy [Wykes] has
it and is using it for Accelerated Learning with the Trainees."
122.2 On or around 13 September 1994 I wished to use the recorder with
the Trainees, however when I searched for it in the room used by Kathy
and the Trainees, the recorder was not there. I asked Kathy and was surprised
when she said words to the effect: "I haven't got it." "I've never
had it."
122.3 On 13 September 1994 at approx 5pm I approached Ms McGregor and
referred to the recorder. I said words to the effect: "Kathy doesn't
know anything about it."
122.4 Ms McGregor said to me words to the effect: "…Well,
what you need to do is document your grievance,…" and "Maureen
made it clear the other day about the fact that it can actually be dangerous
for/to you if it [a grievance from Kerrison] is ill-founded…"
123During July 1994 I also approached Ms Robison. I recall that I mentioned
on a number of occasions that I did not have the files/records that I
needed and also that Ms McGregor appeared to simply allow Ms Hayes' "not
talking" behaviour towards me.
123.1 Despite my repeated approaches during July1994, to my knowledge
Ms Robison did not perform any action.
123.2 I formed the opinion that it was only causing me damage approaching,
explaining, asking for rehabilitation support etc when these approaches
appeared futile.
123.3 After 31 July 1994 I did not approach Ms Robison in person in
relation to asking for rehabilitation support. I had lost confidence
in Ms Robison and Mr Quinn as Rehabilitation officers. I recollect that
sometimes I included Ms Robison and/or Mr Quinn when I circulated information
re ongoing unaddressed matters applicable to rehabilitation.
124 On or around 20 August 1994 another teacher at Kempsey TAFE, Mr
Rick Stucke came to me and said words to the effect: "You had better
do something, Rhonda has Dr Ramsey's [Managing Director TAFE] report
on your complaint and she is showing it to the other staff because the
report says that she hasn't done anything wrong."
125When I arrived home from work, I received in the mail a letter
dated 5 August 1994 from the TAFE Managing Director Dr Gregor Ramsey.
The letter was headed "Investigation into Grievances/Complaints".
126Attached to Dr Ramsey's letter were approximately 3 pages with many
numbered pages missing. The report pages did not identify any particular
aspect of my complaints and I could only guess at what they might refer
to.
127 Dr Ramsey's letter to me stated in part: "As you are
aware Ms S Hartigan, Manger Quality Improvement Northern Sydney Institute
and Ms G Meerman, Manager Counselling Services have investigated the
matters raised by you in your letter to Ms Susan [sic] Beverley
on 15 November 1993. I have now received the report of the investigating
officers and I enclose a copy of their recommendations for your information.
I do not intend to take further action in relation to the matters raised
by you as I expect that implementation of the report's recommendations
will resolve these issues."
128 At this time:
128.1 I had already formed the opinion that TAFE investigators did
not contact some of the people I had named to the investigators because
some had told me.
128.2 I did not think that the issues were resolved because files and
equipment I had previously had access to were missing but Ms McGregor
did not appear to be actioning these matters.
128.3 I knew that the investigators had not asked me where evidence
specific to the investigation was kept in Kempsey TAFE so I thought that
they would not find it.
129 Dr Ramsey's letter was of a general nature and I could not discern
what had or had not been investigated, how or when any investigation
had been performed, or the scope of the investigation if there had been
one.
"Danger"
130 In September 1994 Maureen O'Sullivan was A/Director Port Macquarie
TAFE.
131 In September 1994, Ms McGregor, as Manager of Kempsey TAFE, directed
me to go to the Palm Court Motel in Port Macquarie to attend a meeting
with Ms O'Sullivan Acting College Director about my original complaint.
132 Ms McGregor did not give me the option of taking a support person
or witness with me.
133 On 8 September 1994 I attended the meeting as directed.
133.1 I had not met Ms O'Sullivan prior to this meeting.
133.2 I announced myself at the reception desk and the receptionist
telephoned someone saying that I was there.
133.3 A woman came to me, introduced herself as Maureen O'Sullivan
and hugged me.
133.4 Ms O'Sullivan took me to her motel room where Ms McGregor was.
133.5 Ms McGregor hugged me.
133.6 The meeting was held in Ms O'Sullivan's motel room.
133.7 Ms O'Sullivan said to me words to the effect: "Elizabeth and
I do not know what was in your complaint and you must not talk about
what you put in your complaint or grievance because it is confidential
and you must not talk about it."
133.8 Ms O'Sullivan then slowly, and with many pauses and delays, read
out to me the few report pages which Dr Ramsey had sent to me. At one
stage Ms O'Sullivan suggested that I resign from TAFE. On three occasions
Ms O'Sullivan pointed to individual paragraphs and asked me what they
referred to -- once I hazarded a guess and related it to a section of
my grievance/complaint, and regarding the other two paragraphs I had
no idea as they did not appear relevant to my complaint.
133.9 After about 2 1/2 hours Ms O'Sullivan, in Ms McGregor's presence,
stood over me in a threatening manner and loudly said to me words to
the effect: "The Managing Director …complaint." "The Managing
Director will not allow it to happen again." "If you lodge another complaint
and it is found to be baseless and without foundation it will be very
dangerous to you."
133.10 Ms O'Sullivan did not explain what the danger to me would be,
nor did Ms McGregor.
133.11 Then Ms O'Sullivan, the presence of Ms McGregor, picked up a
document and said to me words to the effect: "This is a statement
for you to sign." "I agree that TAFE has investigated everything
in my complaint and TAFE have ethically addressed all aspects of my complaint..."
133.12 I took that to mean that I was to sign a statement to the effect
that: I, Val Kerrison, agree that TAFE has investigated everything in
my complaint and TAFE ethically addressed all aspects of my complaint…
134 I did not sign. I did not think that the statement was true.
135 On 9 September 1994 (the morning following the meeting) at around
8.45 am I went to Ms McGregor in her office. I asked Ms McGregor words
to the effect: "How did you see the meeting yesterday?"
135.1 Ms McGregor repeated words similar to those that Ms O'Sullivan
had said the previous day. Ms McGregor said words to the effect: "the
Managing Director won't allow it to happen again" "If you lodge another
complaint and it is found to be baseless and without foundation it will
be very dangerous to you".
135.2 I thought that someone had said that my complaint was baseless
and without foundation.
135.3 I thought that key witnesses had not been contacted.
136 I felt afraid.
137 I felt that my professional reputation was damaged in TAFE.
138I thought that if we all worked together that with communication,
openness and honesty the issues could be cleared up and misunderstandings,
misconceptions could be sorted. TAFE teach communications to others,
and employ people to assist staff and students.
Option 1 - HealthQuest
139 I was not aware at the time but Ms Maureen O'Sullivan issued a
Briefing Paper dated 9 September 1995 (the day following her meeting
with me).
139.1 The Briefing Paper prepared by Ms Maureen O'Sullivan to Dr Gary
Willmott Institute Director contains the words: "Regarding: Investigation
into Grievance/Complaints by Ms V Kerrison of KempseyCollegeof
TAFE."
139.2 The "Grievance/Complaints" referred to included allegations of
discrimination.
139.3 The Briefing Paper stated in part: "5. Recommendations
5.1 That Option 1 be implemented. …This option may result in
stress related leave by Ms Kerrison. However, this in the long term,
may better position the Institute to refer Ms Kerrison to the Government
Medical Officer [HealthQuest] for an assessment."
139.4 I was not on sick leave, and I had not claimed any sick
leave since 24 June 1994.
140On 20 October 1994 Ms McGregor circulated an internal memorandum
to all Kempsey TAFE staff stating in part: "Rhonda Hayes has been
appointed A/Manager - Training & Development Unit. She begins next
Monday in Lismore! A farewell lunch will be held in the Canteen at 12.00
tomorrow."
141 Ms Hayes had been appointed to manage the NCI of TAFE's Training
and Development (Staff Development) and was in a position to allocate
or withhold staff development for NCI TAFE staff, including me.
142I relied on staff development to learn new skills for both teaching
and promotion opportunities in TAFE.
142.1 I was not aware at that time of the report Background to Complaints
Re Rhonda Hayes which suggested an option:
" expanding Rhonda's TD (or some other similar) role so that she
is not directly supervising staff or students. She could perceive that
as a developmental opportunity."
143As "A/Manager - Training & Development Unit" Ms Hayes had more
power over my future access to ongoing training and development.
144I wanted TAFE's staff training and development because I wanted
to use it to further my skills and career and I wanted to earn promotion.
145I recall that on a number of occasions after that I telephoned the
Training and Development office and asked for information specific to
its training and development publications but I did not receive from
Ms Hayes or the Training and Development office the information which
I requested.
146 I recall that on or about 16 December 1994 I telephoned Ms Walshaw
and said words to the effect: "Maureen O'Sullivan, Elizabeth McGregor
(twice) and Mark Whitehead had warned me that it could be extremely dangerous
for me if I lodged another grievance which was baseless and without foundation.
Who decides this and how is this decided?". I recall also that I said
to Ms Walshaw words to the effect: "Mark has also told me that if I lodged
another complaint about Rhonda it could be regarded as frivilous, and
could be considered to constitute a witchhunt, that Rhonda would sue
me". I recall that Ms Walshaw said words to the effect that I could not
have information about the investigation because I had gone outside the
system."
Meeting with Ms McGregor
147 On or about 9 March 1995 I asked to speak with Ms McGregor.
147.1 When we met I referred to the meeting on 8 September 1994 with
Ms McGregor and Ms O'Sullivan in a private room in a Port Macquarie motel
and I said to Ms McGregor, words to the effect: "…you and that
other lady [Ms Maureen O'Sullivan] had also pointed out that if
I make another claim [a grievance/complaint from me] that if
someone, and I can't find out who, decides it is baseless and without
foundation it could be very dangerous to me. Do you remember that? Because
I take that as a threat."
Meeting with Ms McGregor - Ms Robison invited to participate
148 In 1995 Kempsey TAFE Manager was Ms Elizabeth McGregor who was
in charge of the College. The Kempsey TAFE Registrar was Ms Gail Robison
who was in charge of the clerical staff and general administration.
149 In March 1995 I was performing the Head Teacher duties for Admin
Services section as well as teaching some of the courses. Through these
two roles I put together a function which I believed would benefit the
daytime Admin Services students and the Admin Services teachers as well.
149.1 Due to staggered lunch breaks, generally speaking, the students
in different courses were not at leisure together during the TAFE day.
149.2 Part-time teachers sometimes had little contact with other teachers
in the section.
149.3 In addition, although there had been orientation for students
at the beginning of the year, some students had not been present for
this, or had little knowledge of the functions for which the two Kempsey
TAFE heads (Registrar Ms Gail Robison and Manager Ms Elizabeth McGregor)
held responsibility.
150 On or around 29 March 1995 I asked Ms McGregor if I could speak
with her. When she agreed I asked if I could ask Ms Robison (who was
in the next room) to join us because I wanted to invite them both to
a function.
150.1 As Ms McGregor and Ms Robison had separate responsibilities and
were sometimes not at Kempsey TAFE, I wished to obtain their agreement
to participate, then arrange the function to fit in with their different
schedules and commitments.
150.2 When Ms McGregor agreed, I went to the next room and asked Ms
Robison if she could spare a few minutes.
150.3 I outlined my proposal, telling them words to the effect: "if
the students can meet and talk with you, and talk with each other and
compare courses, I think that it would be of benefit to them. Then,
at the same time I will hold a staff meeting for the teachers."
150.4 Both Ms McGregor and Ms Robison readily agreed and consulted
their diaries and settled on a time that they were both going to be in
the college and free to attend.
150.5 Ms McGregor suggested that we hold the function in the college's
Djigay Centre (Centre of Excellence in Aboriginal Education), and told
me whom to contact to book the Djigay Meeting Place.
150.6 I then invited all available classes in Admin Services to a combined
get-together to informally 'Meet the Management' of Kempsey TAFE (Ms
Robison and Ms McGregor).
150.7 I invited all Admin Services teachers to a staff meeting to be
held at the same time, and arranged that the meeting be taped for the
information of any staff who could not attend, so that they would not
feel 'left out' from the information and discussion.
150.8 I catered for the function and arranged for photographic coverage
of the event,
150.9 I applied this function specific to the courses the students
were studying. Some students were studying how to organise such functions
and at their teachers' suggestion, they assisted to organise and run
the function as part of their TAFE studies.
150.10 Afterwards I drafted the press release for Ms McGregor's approval,
arranged for the photographs to be developed and got them ready for possible
publication in the newspaper.
150.11 I gave the surplus photos of the function to the students who
helped run the activity so that they could put them in their employment
folders as pictorial evidence of their work assisting to organise and
deliver the function.
150.11.1. I had not seen that happen before nor have I heard of it
happening since in that Section.
151 I recall that on 23 May 1995 after authorisation by my manager
Ms McGregor I asked the local newspaper The Macleay Argus journalist/editor
to publish a report and photograph of the activity mentioned above. This
was to promote Kempsey TAFE, its students, Management, and courses.
151.1 The journalist/editor asked me to submit the article and photograph
for consideration and I did so.
152 On 26 May 1995 The Macleay Argus published the article and
photograph under a large heading TAFE TALK.
153 I state on oath that this was the only time that I asked to speak
with Ms McGregor and Ms Robison was asked to leave her room and come
and be present for the discussion; that Ms Robison was present at this
discussion because I personally went into her room and asked for her
to be present; that I did this in order that Ms McGregor and Ms Robison
could both hear the proposal then discuss it together to a) decide if
they wished to participate or modify the proposal, and b) if they wished
to participate, to be able to compare their schedules and commitments
and set a day and time that was suitable to both of them.
Meeting 10 April 1995 - TAFE officers see documents
in my file - I reported that I had given my papers to solicitors - Aboriginal
students
154On or about 10 April 1995 I met with the NCI OH&S and Rehabilitation
Officer Mr Mike Quinn and Kempsey TAFE OH&S and Rehabilitation Officer
Ms Gail Robison.
155 At that meeting of 10 April 1995 with Ms Robison and Mr Quinn we
spoke of TAFE's purported investigation into the complaints/grievances
I had lodged and I said to Mr Quinn and Ms Robison words to the effect: "I've
got papers on file, but they are down with the solicitor's in Taree at
this time."
156At the meeting we discussed TAFE's purported investigation
into the complaints I lodged and Mr Quinn said words to the effect: "So
you are saying that some people who might have been key players in this
grievance haven't been contacted?"
156.1 Both officers could see documents in my file on the desk. I pointed
to the letters given to me by the Aboriginal students Mr Michael Smith
and Mr Wright. I said words to the effect: "I knew what had happened
to Michael Smith. He and two other Aboriginal kids, I sent them up to
join the class, with pen and paper in their hand. Rhonda sent them away
and they sat down in the canteen until the next teacher came and then
they came up and joined the class. This was when I enrolled them at the
beginning of last year. They weren't contacted. I don't know who has
been contacted, and in what way."
157 I recall that I had originally spoken of this to Ms Robison when
Ms Robison came to my home on 30 March 1994. I had told Ms Robison the
names of the three Aboriginal students -- Michael Smith, Cecily Lardner
and Hazel Duke. I recall that I had mentioned them again by name to Ms
Robison in subsequent conversations.
158 I recall that had similarly spoken to Mr Quinn and Mr Lockwood
when they came to my home on 21 April 1994.
159 Ms Robison said words to the effect: "You need more feedback
to the investigation so that you know what happened".
159.1 I saw Mr Quinn write something on paper.
159.2 To my knowledge neither of them did anything about this.
160 I recall that at that meeting on 10 April 1995, after I showed
Mr Quinn and Ms Robison the letters on my file, Mr Quinn suggested that
I go to Commonwealth Rehabilitation Services (CRS) in Port Macquarie
and have 3 or 4 sessions of counselling for self esteem/confidence-building.
161 I agreed to go to CRS for 3 or 4 sessions of counselling for self-esteem,
as I would have attended a TAFE-sourced similar staff development facility
had it been offered. I recall thinking at the time that I wished that
the document which I gave Mr Quinn and Ms Robison would be actioned in
TAFE and that this would be better than 'counselling' outside TAFE.
162 As Mr Quinn and Ms Robison were ending the meeting Ms Robison said
words to the effect: "I'm going to talk to Mike [Mr Quinn].
163 I was not aware at that time of Dr Ramsey's letter dated 17 January
1995 to Dr Willmott re HealthQuest and its handwritten note "For attention
Kerry Walshaw".
164 Ms Robison and Mr Quinn saw documents in my file.
164.1 Ms Robison and Mr Quinn worked with and/or under Ms Kerrie Walshaw.
164.2 Ms Robison, Mr Quinn, and Ms Walshaw worked under the Directorship
of Dr Gary Willmott.
165 Around this time, 10 April 1995, Ms Debbie Kennington, who had
agreed to take the position of Head Teacher for the Section, telephoned
me and I forwarded the Section program so that Ms Kennington could pick
which classes she wished to teach next semester.
"Aggressive tendencies"
166 I have not seen or spoken with Mr Quinn since 10 April 1995.
167I was not aware at the time, but on 11 April 1995, the next day
following the meeting of 10 April 1995, Mr Quinn contacted the Commonwealth
Rehabilitation Services (CRS).
167.1 On 11 April 1995 CRS record states in part: "Initial
referral" "aggressive tendencies, feelings of worthlessness…agreed
to carry out initial interview and that Mrs Kerrison would have to seek
professional counselling or CRS could not continue to be involved. Di
Cook"
167.2 On 11 April 1995 I had only registered one day's absence
from work for the past 9 months, and had actually made up that time in
performing the Head Teacher duties.
167.3 I was not aggressive.
167.4 I had lodged written and verbal complaints regarding
racial and gender discrimination, victimisation, and OH&S damage.
167.5 I had reported the possible crime of false entries in
TAFE's public registers, and, although I did not know it at the time,
the Managing Director Dr Gregor Ramsey had accepted my allegations as
true.
167.6 I believed that the complaints/grievances were not actioned,
instead they accumulated and compounded.
168 On 12 April 1995 I met with CRS officer Ms Dianne Cook. Ms Cook
said words which I took to mean that in order to have 3-4 sessions of
confidence building with CRS I had to go to a psychiatrist and submit
to psychiatric process. Ms Cook did not give a reason for this.
TAFE conduct courses on confidence building and stress
management
169 TAFE themselves conduct courses on personal development including
confidence building, stress management, working with Aboriginals, and "special
needs" students
170 TAFE select teachers to work with special program students such
as EEO classes with one of the main criteria for selection being the
applicant's abilities to support students with special needs such as
long-term unemployed, women, Aboriginals, students with disabilities.
171 Soon after I commenced working in TAFE in 1983 and throughout my
teaching in TAFE I was frequently selected to work on such courses.
172 Following that, whenever possible I applied to attend Staff Development
courses applicable to confidence building and applied it as part of my
care for students and other teachers in TAFE.
172.1 One of the TAFE officers who taught me to care for the students,
especially those who came to TAFE under its EEO programs was my Participation
and Equity Program (PEP) supervisor Ms Pene Loza.
172.2 During 1986/87, after selection through competitive process particularly
relating to understanding of and caring for TAFE students who might be
effected by low self-esteem and /or victims of discrimination and other
personal issues, I was appointed as PEP Co-ordinator for Kempsey TAFE.
172.3 At various times during 1986/87 Ms Loza conducted staff development
for the PEP Co-ordinators, and I found these courses to be particularly
relevant to the care of people including vulnerable (sometimes traumatised)
students in TAFE's EEO programs.
173 I only resigned from the position of TAFE EEO Co-ordinator because
I was appointed as a full-time TAFE teacher of Business Services Administration
Services Section in 1988, and as part of further training required to
obtain formal teaching qualifications I was going to be in Sydney for
much of the following 2 years and not in Kempsey TAFE available to run
the PEP courses.
174 I believe that it was due to my reputation for caring for people,
and my other demonstrated skills that other TAFE Co-ordinators continued
to select me to teach on these courses because they said words to the
effect that: "We only appoint special teachers for our special programs."I
felt glad and proud to be selected and maintain my special interest in
this area of caring for vulnerable people.
174.1 I also feel proud that other members of my family are also involved
in caring for and kindness to others.
174.2 Many people comment to me on the kindness demonstrated by my
husband of 40+ years and he frequently tell me, and I have seen, of actions
he has done caring for and helping others for no reward other than personal
satisfaction.
174.3 Our youngest daughter successfully applied to Lifeline to be
trained as a telephone counsellor manning on a voluntary basis their
Lifeline telephone service. She often told me of working at that at night,
for no pay other than personal satisfaction, as well as performing her
full-time paid job.
175 I felt at the time that I had benefited from the Staff Development
that Ms Loza structured and taught, and believe that it greatly benefited
me, and through my greater knowledge, benefited the students especially
the vulnerable ones.
176 I believe that it was because I dissented to, and would not shut
up about, apparent damage to vulnerable people in TAFE that TAFE Managing
Director authorised and condoned an 'investigation' which did not contact
key witnesses including Aboriginal student Mr Michael Smith and Ms Kylie
Harrower.
176.1 Mr Smith and Ms Harrower allowed me to keep copies of their letters.
176.2 Ms Harrower said to me words to the effect: "I sent
it to Dr Ramsey, to Ms McGregor, to the Director of NCI TAFE, and about
3 other places but did not get a reply from any of them."
(Ms Harrower's two-page letter attached marked 1a
and 1b)
176.3 My husband recently said to me words to the effect: "I saw
TJ (Mr Michael Smith) the other day and he said that still no-one [from
TAFE] has contacted him."
177 From this I believe that TAFE are expending public resources to
purchase/manufacture allegations against me rather than address issues
including acknowledged false entries to TAFE's public registers and discrimination
and victimisation in TAFE.
178 I believe that if I had not tried to stop what I believed to be
damage to vulnerable people, including TAFE students, other teachers,
and myself, and reported to TAFE Managing Director Dr Ramsey discrepancies
in his 'investigation', that Dr Ramsey would not have authorised a forced
psychiatric assessment of me.
179 I believe that TAFE officers including Ms McGregor, Ms Robison,
Mr Quinn, Ms Walshaw manufactured allegations which they knew to be false
about me because they hid their allegations and did not allow me to rebut
them or provide evidence against their allegations before they wrote
and published them in places where they could (and seemingly did) discredit
me and cause me damage and loss.
1997 Ms Kerrie Walshaw -- "inform me of my employment
status"
180 On or about November 1996 I heard of a TAFE officer who might attempt
to assist me.
181 I recall that on or about 29 November 1996 I contacted Ms Heather
Crawford A/Director Access and Equity South Sydney Institute of TAFE
regarding my employment status. Ms Crawford reported back to me that
she had contacted Kerrie Walshaw, and said to me words to the effect
that: "Kerrie Walshaw will write and tell you what your employment status
in the new year". I recall that Ms Walshaw did not do so, and nor did
anyone else.
1997 - TAFE Legal Officer-- "employment status" "…assuming
that Ms Kerrison's employment was terminated on 13 September 1996…"
182 Around 1999 I said to the Administrative Decisions Tribunal (ADT)
words to the effect: "I have lodged FOI requests to TAFE and a lot
of the pages they sent me were blank pieces of paper." The ADT directed
TAFE to supply the originals of documents which had I had requested previously
under FOI.
183Amongst the documents I received I found some pages of internal
memos from and to TAFE Legal Officer Mr Peter Cribb.
184On reading those documents, some such pages appear to me
to be part of a 4-page memo dated 8 October 1997 from Mr Peter Cribb
TAFE's Legal Officer to Ms Ros Willaimson Assistant Director, Human Resources
North Coast Institute of TAFE, with page 2 either missing or withheld. (Attached
marked 2)
184.1 Page 1 Paragraph 1: "Whilst about to prepare the "two-page" summary …I
received a request to provide a draft response to questions raised in
the Legislative Council concerning Ms Kerrison's employment status…
184.2 Page 1 Paragraph 2: "The Hon Elizabeth Kirkby MLC has asked:
184.3 Page 1, Paragraph 3: "…Will the Minister provide details
about the current employment status of Ms Val Kerrison with her employer
Kempsey TAFE? Is Ms Kerrison still employed at Kempsey TAFE? Has Ms Kerrison's
employment with Kempsey TAFE been terminated?"
184.4 Page 1, Paragraph 4: "From documents on the Legal Services Unit
file it is not possible to give a definitive answer as to Ms Kerrison's
employment status. It has been assumed that Ms Kerrison's employment
has been terminated for the purposes of the Anti-Discrimination Board
proceedings.
184.5 Page 4, Paragraph ii) "Following the resolution of the appeal
did TAFE send any correspondence to Ms Kerrison advising her of the outcome
of her appeal or discussing her employment status? If so, please provide
me with a copy. [handwritten note: 'NO']"
184.6 Page 4, Paragraph iii) "Are there any other relevant documents
on your files concerning the fact or date of termination of Ms Kerrison's
employment? If so, please provide me with a copy. [handwritten note:
'send pay final monies record']
TAFE -- Voluntary Redundancy package - Val Kerrison
185 Amongst papers supplied by TAFE in around 1999 to the Administrative
Decisions Tribunal (ADT) and then to the Industrial Relations Commission
was a page headed "TAFE Miscellaneous worksheet" containing the words "V.R.
Package" [perceived to be Voluntary Redundancy Package] and "$48,779" and "Kerrison
Val". The page does not include the date which it was written (See
Attachment marked 3a)
185.1 NSW Industrial Gazette Vol 298 9 May 1997 states that effective
from 1 July 1997 the wage for teachers on Step 4 to be $48,779. (See
Attachment marked 3b)
186 On 27 April 2001 I recall that Mr Kenzie (barrister for the Respondent
TAFE) say words that I took to mean that TAFE officer Ms Sharyn Scuglia
remembers compiling it, but that she had not written handwritten references "CV" at
the top and "J49" at the bottom.
186.1 Those were references were filing and source references which
I added as part of my filing system so that I can file and source the
documents for identification purposes when necessary.
Filing and Source References
187 Many documents in my files were not supplied to me as and when
they were written.
188 Through FOI requests and then Tribunal and court directions, bundles
of documents have been supplied intermittently through 1995 to the present
day.
188.1 Due to the spasmodic nature of their disclosure to me I have
added filing and source references to their edges in order to record
the source and timeframe during which those documents were supplied to
me.
188.2 I added the references in places where I believe they do not
distort or mislead as to the contents of those documents but enable me
to source the documents for identification purposes when necessary and
as required by the Crown Solicitors for the Respondent in legal proceedings.
17 July 1997 …"nothing has been finalised"
189On 17 July 1997 State Super record, supplied to ADB and then
to IR Commission shows inter alia: "[State Super] phoned Chris McPherson [NCI
TAFE officer] - member was [reported in TAFE documents to State
Super] retired, but is still appealing no decision - nothing has been
finalised." (See attached marked 3C)
190 I recall that late 1996 and during 1997 I wrote to and contacted
members of parliament and also made representations on my own behalf,
informing, amongst other things that the last employment status which
TAFE had officially contacted me and informed me of had been when Ms
Walshaw wrote and informed me in April 1996 that TAFE had somehow placed
me on Sick Leave Without Pay (albeit without my knowledge, input, or
consent).
191 I recall that I asked questions as to what my employment status
was.
192 I recall that I had also asked that I be allowed to resume my duties.
193On 29 July 1997 the Minister Mr John Aquilina wrote to Mr
B Jeffery, MP; The Hon E Kirkby MLC, and Ms V Kerrison, 3 individual
letters which all stated inter alia that: "[Ms Kerrison] will be given
every opportunity to pursue her claims in the conciliation conference
that will be arranged by the Anti-Discrimination Board." (See
letters attached marked 3D, 3E, and 3F)
AntiDiscrimination Board Meeting 20 October 1997
194 In 1997 TAFE legal officer Mr Peter Cribb, TAFE officers Ms Elizabeth
McGregor and Ms Ros Williamson were invited by the Anti-discrimination
Board to attend a conciliation conference with me and we met on or around
20 October 1997.
195 At the Conciliation meeting I recall vividly TAFE Legal Officer
Mr Peter Cribb stood and in a threatening manner shouted at me: "Have
you ever said the word 'gun'?" and repeated this again and again.
I recall that an AntiDiscrimination Board conciliation officer Mr Gerardo
De Liseo then stood and repeated what I felt to be assault by demanding "Have
you ever said the word 'gun'?"
196 I recall that my support person attempted to protect me from the
TAFE and ADB officers by standing and saying "Don't answer that! Don't
answer that!"
196.1 Since then, my support person at that meeting said to me words
to the effect: "Yes, I remember that too."
197 I recall that at the meeting at the ADB on 20 October 1997 Mr Cribb
said (I don't recall how many times but it seemed excessive) words to
the effect: "What was the 4-word statement you said about 'the only
way to solve the problem is with a gun and that is in relation to yourself
and another person in TAFE'."
197.1 I have never said or implied such allegation.
198 I recall that Mr Cribb then repeatedly demanded words to the effect: "What
was the 4-word statement you referred to?" I repeatedly replied
words to the effect: "I said 'No-one wants to know'.".
198.1 I recall that at that meeting TAFE legal officer Mr Peter Cribb,
TAFE officers Ms Elizabeth McGregor and Ms Ros Williamson proposed to
me that I lodge a grievance using TAFE's new Grievance Policy and added
words to the effect "We will help you lodge the grievance".
198.2 TAFE's Grievance Policy is only applicable to be used by TAFE's
employees.
198.3 TAFE Voluntary Redundancy package is only applicable to TAFE
employees.
199 I recall that on 8, September 1994 TAFE officers, Ms McGregor and
Ms Maureen O'Sullivan had, in a threatening manner said to me words to
the effect: "the Managing Director will not allow it [further grievance
from Kerrison] to happen again. If you [Kerrison] lodge another complaint
it will be very dangerous to you". I recall that Ms McGregor repeated
similar words on or around 9, and 13 September 1996.
199.1 I recall it vividly because it added to my nightmares and feelings
of fear and horror that I suffered from their actions and unsubstantiated
stemming from uncovering their allegations in 1995.
199.2 In late 1995, when I first began accessing the documents compiled
without my knowledge or input by TAFE and HealthQuest the severe chest
pains and feelings of horror and fear, became too much, I collapsed and
I was taken to a nearby doctor who had an electrocardiograph administered
on me.
199.3 After the meeting at the ADB, and after it seemed apparent to
me that TAFE were not going to investigate as they assured the ADB that
they would, because of feelings of fear, and not knowing what Kempsey-located
TAFE officers (Ms Elizabeth McGregor and Ms Gail Robison)' and Mr Quinn
from Lismore or somewhere, would do or write next, I felt forced to leave
my home and husband in Kempsey, and come to Sydney.
199.4 I have resided in Sydney most of the time since.
AntiDiscrimination Board -- "…that TAFE would
be conduct [ing] the investigation in accordance with the new grievance
policy and procedure and that Ms Kerrison would be involved in the process…"
200 On 20 October 1997 TAFE and I met at the ADB as parties to conciliation
meeting.
201At that meeting I recall that TAFE Legal Officer Mr Peter
Cribb and officers Ms Elizabeth McGregor and Ms Williamson put forward
a proposal saying words which I understood to mean: "NCI TAFE will
help you lodge a grievance using TAFE's new Grievance Policy" and "TAFE
will get someone outside NCI TAFE to investigate it" and "you [Kerrison] will
be invited to have input ".
202 My copy of "New South Wales Technical and Further Education Commission
- Teachers and Other Educational Staff "signed 31 January 1994 states
in part.
"32 Grievance Resolution
"32.1.1: "This process shall apply to all education staff as defined."
203 On 21 October 1997 Ms Jill Moir Conciliation Officer for the AntiDiscrimination
Board wrote a letter addressed to Mr Peter Cribb Legal Officer Legal
Services TAFE NSW. (See ADB 2-page letter Attachment marked 4)
203.1 ADB letter to TAFE 21 October 1997, Page 1, Paragraph 3: "Ms
Williamson stated that TAFE would conduct the investigation in accordance
with the new grievance policy and procedure and that Ms Kerrison would
be involved in the process. The investigation would be conducted by an
officer from another district in TAFE and would be done in conjunctions
with Ms Williamson."
1997 - TAFE Legal Officer -- "…assuming that Ms Kerrison's
employment was terminated on 13 September 1996…"
204On 21 October 1997 (the day following the meeting at the
ADB, TAFE Legal Officer Mr Peter Cribb wrote a memorandum and faxed it
from TAFE Legal Services to Ms Ros Williamson, Assistant Director, Human
Resources, North Coast Institute of TAFE. (See Attachment marked 5)
204.1 On Page 3, Paragraph 3 Mr Cribb wrote in part: "…Was
her employment effectively terminated on 13 September 1996 following
the disallowance of her appeal to the Medical Appeals Panel? Even assuming
that Ms Kerrison's employment was terminated on 13 September 1996…"
Application -- extended leave
205 I perceived that there were ongoing outstanding and apparently
ignored serious matters including possible criminal action of someone
illegally taking my extended leave, and due to TAFE's previous refusal
to allow me to access it I applied to its Legal Officer Mr Peter Cribb.
206On 22 March 2001 I wrote to TAFE Senior Legal Officer Mr Peter Cribb
and enclosed my signed TAFE Application for Leave. (Attachment marked
6)
207 I hand-delivered the application to Mr Cribb's workplace.
208 I now perceive from looking at my records that the official application
dated 22 March 2001 for part of my extended leave was not actioned.
209 I believe that Mr Cribb has the legal knowledge to recognise possible
breaches of law including unauthorised changes to registers recording
my entitlements.
210To my knowledge neither Mr Cribb nor anyone else responsible for
ensuring that TAFE officers comply with the law, including TAFE Managing
Director Dr Boston and the Minister Mr Aquilina, has reported possible
fraud, and/or possible false entries to TAFE's public registers, and/or
fake retirement certificates to the police.
211I have not authorised anyone to take my extended leave.
212 I have not signed a request to resign or retire.
TAFE Teacher Ms Pene Loza
213 Sometime during the year 2000 an acquaintance Mr Gerard Crewdson
said to me words to the effect: "I've heard about a whole workplace
being referred to HealthQuest. It's an organisation funded by DOCS (Department
of Community Services) from the NorthCoastregion.
A Pene Loza has contacted Cynthia [Kardell President Whistleblowers
Australia NSW Branch]."
214 I remembered that I had worked with a Ms Pene Loza while in TAFE.
I contacted the telephone number given to Ms Kardell and found that the
person whom I contacted was the same Pene Loza that I knew. Ms Loza said
to me words to the effect: "TAFE HealthQuested me in 1992. Then Leonie
asked me to work in …under DOCS. Then they tried to HealthQuest
us, and when this did not work they made us redundant."
215 When I was talking to Ms Loza, she mentioned that Ms Kerrie Walshaw
and Ms Kay Eliasson were involved in a summary removal from duties while
she was working, and the phrase "medical retirement' was used. This sounded
similar to my situation.
216After I was served with affidavits by Ms Kerrie Walshaw and Dr Ramsey
I contacted Ms Loza and asked whether I could use documents which she
had previously supplied to me relating to actions taken by Ms Walshaw
and Ms Eliasson (who is mentioned in Ms Walshaw's affidavit).
217I believe that Dr Ramsey was Managing Director in 1992.
218Ms Loza responded to my request by also making an affidavit
setting out the details of what had happened to her in TAFE.
218.1 Her affidavit was sworn on 23 August 2001, and will be filed
and served along with this affidavit.
219 At Page 7, Paragraph 40, Ms Pene Loza reports:
"In hindsight, it is apparent that I was duped into believing
that the Healthquest Certificate was an official document and that
TAFE was acting legally in terminating my employment and 'retiring
me on medical grounds'."
(See Affidavit sworn by Ms Pene Loza on 23 August 2001 which is filed
separately at Industrial Relations Commission and served together with
this affidavit).
Russell Tribunal investigation into human rights violations
in psychiatric practice - Accusation to World Psychiatric Association
- Berlin 2001
220 In 2001 I first accessed the web-site for the Russell Tribunal.
221 On that site were records relating to practices by psychiatrists/medical
practitioners which appear to me to be relevant to the affidavits submitted
by the Respondent including Dr Helen Jagger referring to Dr Eva Mandel
who, as a HealthQuest psychiatrist jointly signed a document titled "Retirement
Certificate" with Dr Jagger.
222On the Russell Tribunal website I found and printed documents stating
that "The UNO High Commissioner for Human Rights, Ms Mary Robinson,
will be sending a delegate who will open the conference [Russell
Tribunal on Human Rights in Psychiatry] with a welcome address. This
event will be an important contribution to preparations for the World
Conference Against Racism.. I put this forward as part of my
reply to the respondent's affidavits (See Attachment marked 7)
223Accompanying documents recorded in part:
223.1 "Contentions:
223.2 1. Mental illness is a legal-psychiatric fiction…
223.3 2. Psychiatric practices rest on the twin pillars of civil commitment
and the insanity defence. Neither intervention serves the best interests …Both
interventions serve the interest of the patient's adversaries and/or
of the family or society.
223.4 3. The fiction of mental illness inexorably generates its corollary,
the fiction of psychiatric treatment. Combined with coercion (civil commitment),
the concept of psychiatric treatment thus becomes a ready weapon, in
the hands of the family or the state, for controlling, punishing, and
destroying individuals unwanted by those in control of the psychiatric
vocabulary, especially those in political authority. But for the fiction
of treatment of illness, such conduct would be recognized as torture.
223.5 4. Article 18 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights guarantees
the right to freedom of thought to everyone…
223.6 "Charge
…Accordingly, we charge psychiatry as a profession, and psychiatrists
as persons and physicians, with the following outrages against humanity:
Psychiatry,
a) makes the psychiatric profession the final arbiter of normalcy,
converting societal normative judgments into pseudo-medical ones that
psychiatrists are uniquely qualified to impose;
b) creates the status condition called "mental illness" that
can be ascribed for malevolent, negligent, or paternalistic reasons,
moreover, since there are no physical markers to examine, the so-called "diagnosis" cannot
be disproved by those accused; psychiatry thus creates a status of human
subservience to those legitimized with identifying who is mentally ill;
c) dehumanizes and delegimizes individuals characterized as "mentally
ill"…
f) encourages preventive detention by casting a wide net of
future dangerousness in the guise of mental health diagnosis…
g) stigmatizes those identified as mentally ill, providing opportunity
to those who would discredit their political views, deny them employment,
or mistreat them in other ways; …
i ) …As a direct result of these premises, psychiatrists
initiated the extermination of "undesirables" in Germany in the 1930s
Psychiatric principles and practices helped the Soviet Union, and now
help the Chinese Communist government, hide, as medical treatment, a
system of incarcerating, torturing, and discrediting dissidents. The
same psychiatric principles and practices have encouraged, and continue
to encourage the deprivation of human rights in the United States and
many other countries..."
223.7 I put this document forward as part of my reply to the respondent's
affidavits (See Attachment marked 8)
224My complaint including HealthQuest psychiatrist Dr Eva Mandel and
medical practitioner Dr Helen Jagger in conjunction with TAFE has been
accepted by the Russell Tribunal.
225 I believe that other people in Australia have also submitted their
allegations about employers' hiring of psychiatrists to discredit them
when they expressed dissent in the workplace to the Russell Tribunal
and those complaints have also been accepted for consideration by the
Russell Tribunal as part of the Freedom of Thought action against psychiatry
as a profession and psychiatrists as individuals because they were acknowledged
through my email.
226I read also a letter addressed to World Psychiatric Association,
inviting it to join in the proceedings in defence of their policies -
at the "Fifth International Russell Tribunal…carried through under
the heading of Freedom of Thought."
226.1 I read also that: "The United Nations High Commissioner for Human
Rights, Mary Robinson, will send a delegate to speak…We plan to
continue the Tribunal in New York in 2002, and perhaps also in Jerusalem." I
put this forward as part of my reply to the respondent's affidavits (See
Attachment marked 9)
227On 21 July 2001, in the Russell Tribunal documents I read the
"Verdict of the Russell Tribunal on Psychiatry
…the Tribunal is convinced that the serious abuse of human rights
in the name of psychiatry is widespread but largely unrecognized….We
consider the concept of 'mental illness' and the 'medical model' of psychiatry
to explain human behaviour dangerous and fallacious …we are determined
to continue our investigations and hearings and to use the media and
all means of communication available to explore these abuses and to alert
public opinion to the dangers to human freedom presented by the uncritical
acceptance of the claims and practices of psychiatry…[psychiatry]
even takes on the role of a highly paid and respected agent of social
control and international police force over behaviour and the repression
of political and social dissent…We find psychiatry guilty of the
combination of force and unaccountability, a classic definition of totalitarian
systems…"
I put this forward as part of my reply to the respondent's affidavits (See
Attachment marked 10)
REPLIES SPECIFIC TO PARTS OF RESPONDENT'S AFFIDAVITS
228 Affidavit sworn by Mr Mike Quinn:
229 I dispute Mr Quinn's version of events including.
229.1 Page 2, Paragraph 4 (b): At no time did I make or express
threats to Ms Robison. At no time did I make threats involving physical
harm with a firearm directed towards Rhonda Hayes and others. At no time
did I say words to the effect: "I won't be responsible for my own actions".
229.2 Page 3, Paragraph 5: At the meeting on 21 April 1994,
at no time did I slam the table with my hand. At no time did I raise
my voice. I did not say words to the effect: "I am sorry about my behaviour,
I am on medication". At no time in April 1994 was I on medication. At
no time have I ever worked for the Water Board.
230 The last time that I spoke or communicated with Mr Quinn in any
way was at a meeting with him and Ms Robison in the morning of 10 April
1995.
231 Affidavit sworn by Ms Gail Robison:
232 I dispute Ms Robison's version of events including.
232.1 Page 1, Paragraph 2: At no time did I say to Ms Robison
words to the effect: "The only time I want you to help me is when I ask
you to." At no time did I say such words or anything similar to any person.
232.2 Page 1, Paragraph 3: At no time did I say to Ms Robison
words to the effect that: "Nobody cares about me" . I have seen Ms Robison
make decisions.
232.3 Page 2, Paragraph 5: At no time did I say to Ms Robison
words to the effect that: "What are you doing here? Have you just got
forms for me to fill in?" At no time did I turn up music very loud. At
no time did I pace the floor for about 10 to 15 minutes."
232.4 Page 2, Paragraph 6: At no time did I say the words
alleged by Ms Robison. At no time did I say to Ms Robison words to the
effect that I "felt suicidal" At no time did I say such words or anything
similar to any person.
232.5 Page 2, Paragraph 7: At no time did I say the words alleged
by Ms Robison. Ms Robison met with me from 11 - 31 July 1994 and at no
time did I say to Ms Robison words to the effect: "If I had a gun
I would shoot myself". At no time did I say such words or anything
similar to any person.
233 Affidavit sworn by Ms Elizabeth McGregor:
234 I dispute Ms McGregor's version of events including.
234.1 Page 3, Paragraph 15: I did not at any time say or imply
that anyone was "useless and should be shot."
234.2 Page 4, Paragraph 23: At no time did Ms McGregor "ask[ed]
the rehabilitation officer to join us."
234.3 I recall that on or about 13 September 1994 Ms McGregor said
to me words to the effect: "…Maureen made clear the other day
about the fact that it can actually be dangerous to you if it [a
grievance] is ill-founded…"
235 In reply specific to Affidavit sworn by Ms Sharyn Scuglia:
236 I do not know a Ms Sharyn Scuglia.
237 I dispute Ms Scuglia's version of events:
238 At no time have I ever telephoned and asked to speak to a Ms Sharyn
Scuglia.
239 At no time did I say to a Ms Scuglia or anyone else "why was
my consent to the salary overpayment being debited not sought".
240 I have not authorised or given authority to any person to take
or debit my accrued leave entitlements.
241 Affidavit sworn by Ms Kerrie Walshaw:
242 I dispute Ms Walshaw's version of events.
SWORN By the Deponent )
At Sydney )
Before me: )
On the day of September in the year two thousand and one.
Solicitor/Justice of the Peace Deponent